One of the past great leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was a man named Ezra Taft Benson. He had this to say about the Book of Mormon:
The Book of Mormon brings men to Christ through two basic means. First, it tells in a plain manner of Christ and His gospel. It testifies of His divinity and of the necessity for a Redeemer and the need of our putting trust in Him. It bears witness of the Fall and the Atonement and the first principles of the gospel, including our need of a broken heart and a contrite spirit and a spiritual rebirth. It proclaims we must endure to the end in righteousness and live the moral life of a Saint.
Second, the Book of Mormon exposes the enemies of Christ. It confounds false doctrines and lays down contention. (See 2 Ne. 3:12.) It fortifies the humble followers of Christ against the evil designs, strategies, and doctrines of the devil in our day. The type of apostates in the Book of Mormon are similar to the type we have today. God, with his infinite foreknowledge, so molded the Book of Mormon that we might see the error and know how to combat false educational, political, religious, and philosophical concepts of our time.
The Book of Mormon Is the Word of God, President Ezra Taft Benson, Jan 1988
The purpose of this article is to show how the Book of Mormon calls out and condemns the biggest threat to liberty that mankind has ever faced – a threat that already encompasses us.
The Setting
It is somewhere around A.D. 29-30 on the American continent. A group of elites, rich, powerful and connected, seek for more power over the people by destroying their laws…
3 Nephi 6
10 But it came to pass in the twenty and ninth year there began to be some disputings among the people; and some were lifted up unto pride and boastings because of their exceedingly great riches, yea, even unto great persecutions;
11 For there were many merchants in the land, and also many lawyers, and many officers.
Many merchants (certain corporations, in today’s case?), lawyers and government officers. I wonder what can happen when these guys all get together and collaborate?
12 And the people began to be distinguished by ranks, according to their riches and their chances for learning; yea, some were ignorant because of their poverty, and others did receive great learning because of their riches.
15 Now the cause of this iniquity of the people was this—Satan had great power, unto the stirring up of the people to do all manner of iniquity, and to the puffing them up with pride, tempting them to seek for power, and authority, and riches, and the vain things of the world.
Sounds familiar. The Fed, Enron, Goldman Sachs, Bankers and corporations all lusting for power and profits.
28 And they did enter into a covenant one with another, yea, even into that covenant which was given by them of old, which covenant was given and administered by the devil, to combine against all righteousness.
29 Therefore they did combine against the people of the Lord, and enter into a covenant to destroy them, and to deliver those who were guilty of murder from the grasp of justice, which was about to be administered according to the law.
Economic crashes, market manipulation, bailouts of businesses who were doing downright illegal practices and nobody loses their job, nobody goes to jail.
30 And they did set at defiance the law and the rights of their country; and they did covenant one with another to destroy the governor, and to establish a king over the land, that the land should no more be at liberty but should be subject unto kings.
3 Nephi 7
2 And the people were divided one against another; and they did separate one from another into tribes, every man according to his family and his kindred and friends; and thus they did destroy the government of the land.
5 Now all this was done, and there were no wars as yet among them; and all this iniquity had come upon the people because they did yield themselves unto the power of Satan.
6 And the regulations of the government were destroyed, because of the secret combination of the friends and kindreds of those who murdered the prophets.
7 And they did cause a great contention in the land, insomuch that the more righteous part of the people had nearly all become wicked; yea, there were but few righteous men among them.
8 And thus six years had not passed away since the more part of the people had turned from their righteousness, like the dog to his vomit, or like the sow to her wallowing in the mire.
9 Now this secret combination, which had brought so great iniquity upon the people, did gather themselves together, and did place at their head a man whom they did call Jacob;
10 And they did call him their king; therefore he became a king over this wicked band; and he was one of the chiefest who had given his voice against the prophets who testified of Jesus.
11 And it came to pass that they were not so strong in number as the tribes of the people, who were united together save it were their leaders did establish their laws, every one according to his tribe; nevertheless they were enemies; notwithstanding they were not a righteous people, yet they were united in the hatred of those who had entered into a covenant to destroy the government.
The Future
Now we will see what became of King Jacob and his people just a few years later after they had accomplished the destruction of the government and destroyed justice by letting scumbags get off Scott-free with crimes through secret oaths, meetings and conspiracy.
After the crucifixion of Jesus Christ there was great destruction on the American continent. Darkness covered the land for three days and on one of these days the voice of the Lord was heard by everyone as he proclaimed the destruction of the wicked; among these was King Jacob and the people mentioned above. Read carefully why they were destroyed:
3 Nephi 9
9 And behold, that great city Jacobugath, which was inhabited by the people of king Jacob, have I caused to be burned with fire because of their sins and their wickedness, which was above all the wickedness of the whole earth, because of their secret murders and combinations; for it was they that did destroy the peace of my people and the government of the land; therefore I did cause them to be burned, to destroy them from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints should not come up unto me any more against them.
The Warning in Ether Chapter 8
Those secret combinations and works of the past are alive and well among us. We’ve been warned about it; let’s take a look in Ether chapter 8:
20 And now I, Moroni, do not write the manner of their oaths and combinations, for it hath been made known unto me that they are had among all people, and they are had among the Lamanites.
21 And they have caused the destruction of this people of whom I am now speaking, and also the destruction of the people of Nephi.
We were given these records as a warning to show us our future if we followed suit.
22 And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not.
Destroyed just like Jacobugath.
23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.
We are letting these things be. They have spread over the whole nation and across the world with no end in sight.
24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.
25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.
Still not convinced?
The conditions in 3 Nephi 6 and 7 and in Ether 8 exist today in our country and throughout the world. They are doing the same things and it is much worse that just simple thievery and manipulation of the system. These workers of secret combinations have made covenants secretly (which is why you don’t hear about it on the news) with Satan himself. Don’t think it’s that bad in our day, sound a little extreme? Let’s see what Joseph Fielding Smith had to say about it:
“Satan has control now. No matter where you look, he is in control, even in our own land. He is guiding the governments as far as the Lord will permit him. That is why there is so much strife, turmoil, and confusion all over the earth. One master mind is governing the nations. It is not the president of the United States; it is not Hitler; it is not Mussolini; it is not the king or government of England or any other land; it is Satan himself.”
Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 3, pp. 314-315
First Presidency message in General Conference circa 1942:
Satan…[plans] to destroy liberty and freedom ~ economic, political, and religious, and to set up in place thereof the greatest, most widespread, and most complete tyranny that has ever oppressed men. He is working under such perfect disguise that many do not recognize either him or his methods.”
First Presidency, General Conference, October 1942
John A. Widtsoe warned us as well:
“The Gadianton Robbers from the Book of Mormon are loose among us. The King-men, and women, are running our government. And, worst of all, we are blindly electing them, or appointing them so they can continue to destroy the things we cherish most.”
John Widtsoe, General Conference, April 1944
Ezra Taft Benson identified this global conspiracy:
“Concerning the United States, the Lord revealed to his prophets that its greatest threat would be a vast, worldwide ‘secret combination’ which would not only threaten the United States but also seek to ‘overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations…’(Ether 8:25)” (Ezra Taft Benson, Conference, October 1961)
“[Wickedness] is more highly organized, more cleverly disguised, and more powerfully promoted than ever before. Secret combinations lusting for power, gain, and glory are flourishing. A secret combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world.”
Ezra Taft Benson, I Testify, Conference, October 1988
Gordon B. Hinckley spoke about these terrorists, but these are not the kind that wear turbans, these are the kind that wear suits.
“It is the terrorist organizations that must be ferreted out and brought down. We of this Church know something of such groups. The Book of Mormon speaks of the Gadianton robbers, a vicious, oath-bound, and secret organization bent on evil and destruction. In their day they did all in their power, by whatever means available, to bring down the Church, to woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society. We see the same thing in the present situation.”
Gordon B. Hinckley, General Conference, October, 2001
This quote above was just after 9/11, but read it CAREFULLY. If you think he’s talking about Muslims, what about flying planes into buildings relates to “sophistry”? A sophism is a false argument used for deceiving someone. Now if someone other than Muslims pulled off 9/11 and other ‘terrorist’ attacks, then Hinckley’s words make sense. You bet there was deception happening on 9/11.
How did Muslims expect to ‘take control of society’ by flying planes into buildings? On the other hand, how much more control does our Federal Government now have over us after the passing of three “Patriot” acts? Who is actually taking control of our society? It’s not Muslims…
“The people succumbed to the wiles of ambitious and scheming leaders who oppressed them with burdensome taxes, who lulled them with hollow promises, who countenanced and even encouraged loose and lascivious living. These evil schemers led the people into terrible wars that resulted in the death of millions and the final and total extinction of two great civilizations in two different eras.”
Gordon B. Hinckley, First Presidency Message, Ensign, August 2005
For further doctrine as to how secret combinations are actually tied to this land of America in particular, read “Interpreters and Combinations” here on oneClimbs.com.
All those who love liberty must unite
Latter-day Saints know all about the New World Order, the Illuminati, the one world government, the Great and Abominable “Church”, the Whore of all the earth, the secret combinations, the Gadiantions, etc. they’re just all different names for the exact same thing. We’ve known since we first read about these evil groups when the Book of Mormon was translated, this book reveals and condemns them and anyone that supports them.
Latter-day Saints desire to stand with anyone who opposes these people. It doesn’t matter what your religion or belief system is. If you support the cause of liberty and freedom, we will fight alongside you. Joseph Smith said it best:
“All I can offer the world is a good heart and a good hand. The Saints can testify whether I am willing to lay down my life for my brethren. If it has been demonstrated that I have been willing to die for a Mormon, I am bold to declare before Heaven that I am just as ready to die in defending the rights of a Presbyterian, a Baptist, or a good man of any other denomination; for the same principle which would trample upon the rights of the Latter-day Saints would trample upon the rights of the Roman Catholic or of any other denomination who may be unpopular and too weak to defend themselves.
It is a love of liberty which inspires my soul—civil and religious liberty to the whole of the human race. Love of liberty was diffused into my soul by my grandfathers while they dandled me on their knees. …
If I esteem mankind to be in error, shall I bear them down? No. I will lift them up, and in their own way too, if I cannot persuade them my way is better; and I will not seek to compel any man to believe as I do, only by the force of reasoning, for truth will cut its own way.”
Documentary History of the Church Vol.5, p. 498.
27 Comments
Reading this article made me realize that the Church leaders are aware of what’s happening– new world order / agenda 2030 / one world government.
I’ve been really wondering why the Church is silent about it, but now that I’ve found out that they do know it–what’s even bothering me is the thought– are they a part of this agenda?
Why did the prophet along with other general authorities took the jab? That’s a sign of being a servitude under the globalists and cabal group.
I honestly feel disappointed with our leaders; they’re the people I personally look up to to speak out about this.
Every thing that is happening is against our doctrine. Examples:
Lock down is separating people and families from each other.
Social distancing teaches people to treat others with disgust.
No face to face classes diminishes children’s learning opportunity.
Taking the jab is a violation of our body’s sacredness.
These are just a few. But the brethren doesn’t realize these? Or they might have, so they’re just gonna go along with this?
How then can we trust them as servants “called of God”? Surely, this is not the will of the Lord. This is man’s fault. If Christ is here, I know that He will heal us and teach us correct principles and doctrines and help us choose the right.
Hi Andrea, I think your concerns are certainly valid, and I share many of them.
I have seen many things transpire of the last few decades that leads me to believe that God is directing our efforts to a great degree, but also many things that seem to be the interpolations of human thinking.
From a study of the scriptures it seems that God intervenes only a key times in the direction of his people. He didn’t intervene during King Noah’s reign until after the fine palaces were built, after many whoredoms had been committed, and after many unjust taxes were collected.
He seems to give a lot of free reign to the leaders of his people to make decisions based on what he has revealed. Think of the allegory of the olive tree. There is much pruning, grafting, and dunging, and then the master leaves for a long time to return and see what his efforts have produced.
I think he does this consistently throughout time and that we are living in an age where we are operating under the same set of rules. When this whole Covid thing went down, nobody knew what the right decisions were because the severity of the virus was largely unknown.
As data quickly began to gather though, a lot of health theater began to be concocted to make people “feel” like they were safer and totally unscientific, and unjust interventions were enforced.
Turns out that boosting your vitamin D would have helped out quite a bit. Maybe Nelson’s comment about taking your “vitamin pills” wasn’t too far off.
I am very much at odds with much of what the church did in response to the so-called “pandemic.” It drove me nuts every time a speaker got done and someone walked up and briskly dusted the microphone with a tissue as if that did anything at all. Theater.
Brigham Young said this:
“I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by him. I am fearful that they settle down in a state of blind self-security, trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a reckless confidence that in itself would thwa[r]t the purposes of God in their salvation, and weaken that influence they could give their leaders did they know for themselves, by the revelations of Jesus, that they are led in the right way. Let every man and woman know, by the whisperings of the Spirit of God to themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates, or not.” – Brigham Young
What I come back to, based on the scriptures, is that God will always course-correct his people one way or the other. God’s people do, in fact, go off course. Whether we are or not, or to what degree is hard to say, but he always sends in his servants to make his will known so that they can repent or the righteous can escape the “house cleaning.”
As far as trust in the current leadership goes. I think “trust but verify” fits with Brigham’s council. Moses had to be corrected by Jethro once, Moses required assistance from Aaron and Hur, Moroni needed correcting from Pahoran, and Lehi needed his son Nephi’s strength to keep going.
We are all mortal and this is how God has designed things. Mortal flaws are built into the process but we all have the gifts of the Spirit to keep us individually on course even IF the main body of saints shifts off course.
What I always come back to is this: The church stands by the validity of the restoration, the reality of Christ and his atonement, the literal truth of the Book of Mormon and the dedication to fulfill the Abrahamic covenant. No other group on people on earth can say that they proclaim all of these things.
I would not be surprised to learn that there are wolves among the sheep in the vast bureaucracy of the church system worldwide, but I would say that this is likely true of all large organizations.
Every house has its vermin, but you don’t burn down the house because of a few mice and roaches. Yes, it can get to the point where you need to torch the whole thing but I don’t think we as a church are anywhere near that point.
The church is becoming gradually more decentralized. More and more, things are moving local and recently the family has finally be exalted to its place as the core of where spiritual growth and learning should take place. These are all wonderful signs despite all the other worries out there.
Ammon had compassion and patience with Lamoni who was a literal murderous king. But his support and personal spiritual power created waves of change. Compare our leaders to Lamoni, they are at least trying to do good, and dedicate their lives to this work. We may not always agree with them but our sustaining can keep them supported. The word sustain means to “keep from falling” so when we sustain leaders it is implied that they CAN fall and perhaps MAY fall without our support.
For this reason, I don’t think we should become bitter, but keep our prayers with them and our personal relationships tight with the Lord. It takes humility and a desire for the Lord’s will to prevail. We must love our enemies and pray for them, even those we may just disagree with no matter who they might be.
Thank you for reply. I needed someone to talk to. It’s really a deep concern to me since I love the Church and I’ve great trust to our leaders.
Thank you as well for understanding me. And enlightening me with your thoughts and citing examples from history in the scriptures.
I know that our leaders are just mortals with weaknesses and flaws.
It’s just hard for me to accept the that they might be in favor with new world order. I found this video of President Thomas Monson with Brent Scowcroft.
https://youtu.be/Qup6RwsAJGs
And I don’t want to dwell in doubts and fears.
I have hope that Christ will reign and triumph over evil.
But at the same time, I just don’t want to do nothing, nor do I wanna comply with this new world order.
It saddens me to see that many members around the world are following the prophet’s lead of taking the vaccine.
True, our leaders are safe and many others who took the jab; how about those who suffered serious injuries and died out of it?
You can check out:
openvaers.com/coviddata
And soon, they’re gonna push the vaccines passport.
I believe that what’s happening is not about health anymore, it’s more for depopulation and taking control.
And many are fooled. I know it’s Satan’s work.
I humbly suggest you take time to watch this good video:
https://rumble.com/vedaj1-global-warning.html?fbclid=IwAR0Q-Kl42KBX00CgG3SvosAp6kn7NdSKw6bwsXAOunKuO7JneFf1Z1VJEV4
I just thought of sharing this because when I did watch this I understand better what’s happening.
How Satan is really into the hearts of those globalists.
And it’s just really making my heart heavy that our Church leaders don’t see this. By the way, I like the quote that you shared by Brigham Young.
And so, in my mind, to whom shall we turn to for help?
Then I just come to a conclusion that I cannot trust men even if they are servants of God.
Only God and Jesus Christ can truly empathize and save us.
There so many Appling functions
To LDS I love them as people
And great neighbors.
There is a political funtion in the background like the NWO to the letter if it isn’t it looks like it
Even members I know dont like
It
Mitt Romney’s not supporting the
Party was a clear sign
He belongs to a globalist organizations in Boston and tied to NWO skull cross bones etc
I agre totally with pres Benson. And I know with this Sacred Book of Mórmon. I am gratefully for this Book!
Wow! That last comment was added in December of 2018. I am adding my comment in November of 2020. Three days after the presidential election for the president of the USA. So much has happened to show the signs of the times and the impact of satan and his secret combinations. The election has obviously been tampered with. Ballot boxes being stuffed with fraudulent votes. There are those who will do anything for money. The liberal media spreads false news to aid in deception for gadiantin robbers. Liberals advocate for full term abortion. Abortion clinics selling fetus body parts by the thousands to highest bidder. People in high places conspiring with our enemies for ill gotten gains. Greed and power is sought above integrity in our government. Immoral behavior not even an issue to people who should set the standard of righteous for our country. Violent protestors roam the land bringing fear to our people. People in high political places lie through “plausible denial.” More burden through taxation.
We are a country in crisis. We just had an election that turned out almost fifty fifty for each candidate. One of those candidates endorse most if the above situations that I wrote of.
But you know what. Our people cannot see between good and evil. There is no discernment in so many of our citizens. Perhaps they refuse to see it because it will be too scary.
It is a slothful servant who must be reminded in all things. Our prophet and apostles have warned us,
Pleaded with us. Told us over and over. Our agency is in play. It is up to us to have ears to hear and eyes to see.
I believe it is in the hands of God now. But I will still stand up and be counted with Him the best way I know how. Wake up America and members of the church!!!!
I believe that the division in this country is wholly manufactured by the government-media complex. It is necessary for the media to make it appear as if the people are 50/50 divided so that elections can be manipulated. The only people in power are the ones that are chosen to be and not by the people. I don’t believe that we the people have any influence on the elections and likely haven’t for quite some time. I think this is just the calm before the storm but it may yet be years before that storm is upon us, or it could happen in a flash.
I just realized how the leadership of this world , the Gadianton robbers who which seem to be the majority in positions of power , are trying to control , regulate , spy on , analyze our communications . The one communication no outsider , outside influence can stop , or influence is the personal whisperings of the spirit , our prophetic dreams , and relvelations we get from our Heavenly Father . We don’t need technology for that. The governments of the world cannot censure the gift of prayer and revelation , our communications with our Heavenly Father . That is one powerful awesome thing I take comfort from.
What is so sad is that a majority of Latter-day Saints are blissfully unaware of their fulfillment. Without question, the Gadiantons are in complete control of the government, but this also is simply prophecy being fulfilled. I am struck by the parallels between the Gadiantons in the Book of Mormon and those in modern times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnx3dkCsn5E
It gets discouraging to see many LDS members in our area be so oblivious about the coming NWO. In one adult Sunday School class our teacher even went so far as to say, “The New World Order will be a good thing. It will teach us how to live under the new world order under Christ.” I was flabbergasted that he said that.
I was sorry that he left no space for comment to correct him.
The two orders are completely opposite, obviously. But he did not see it that way.
Because members of the church, generally, believe that they will be told if/when
of any threat to their freedom, by present church leadership, and they haven’t been hearing the type of messages they figure are warning, they continue their merry way believing all is well in Zion.
One elderly friend once told me of her discouragement in awakening sleepy
members as to the truth of our awful situation. She said she went to her bishop with her concerns. He counseled her to remain quiet and say to herself, “You poor dumb souls.”
It seems to be that unless one accepts certain truths, no matter what it concerns, one does not accept further light and truth.
You have to first accept that all is not well in Zion. Then when you have that foundation, then further evidences become apparent.
But eyes remain closed when a person believes that all is well.
Truth builds upon truth.
When one rejects truth in one area, then it’s like one is damned in progressing further to accept more truth in that area.
When you accept what God has shown to be true, then you can build upon that and receive more.
But if you reject what is true, God says he will take away that which you had,until you are left in the dark, to kick against the pricks.
Unless one accepts the truth that liberty is precious and not to be bartered away for peace and safety, then one will not accept the truth that satan is working to enslave them through the NWO.
WOW, that is quite the quote from that Sunday School teacher! That’s almost like saying “Addiction is a wonderful thing! It will teach you how to be addicted to goodness and holiness!”
I find it interesting how many people eagerly swallow the idea of Christ ruling and reigning over the earth but cannot fathom the idea of a global tyranny when one of the most glaring facts of history is that tyrants love trying to take over the world and enslaving people.
This is one of the core messages of the Book of Mormon. I wonder if people have a problem seeing the tyranny around them, in fact, I’m almost certain they do. I think we want to trust people and we want to be optimistic and when smiling faces on the TV tell you that “everything is ok”, you don’t want to sound like some kind of an accuser.
The war in heaven was about the agency of man– this war did not cease but it has moved to this earth. Many are blinded by so much information from so many directions that they are distracted from foundational principles. Everyone, please give heed to what I have to say: Satan reigns. His way is compulsion– to take the agency of man. He wants the glory for forcing men to do good. He knows that he cannot force men to “be” good because the development of a divine nature comes by voluntarily following Christ and not by compulsory means. Remember, the priesthood ceases to have authority with compulsory means. This means that Government, as we know it today, is the wrong instrument to use to save mankind. Government, as we know it today, uses force, power, and threat of deadly force and confiscation of property and the elimination of agency to achieve “noble” objectives. It has grown far beyond its proper and constitutional bounds. A Zion society is voluntary and its citizens are voluntarily charitable and only through a voluntary system can we become like Christ. The role of Government (read president Mckay, Benson and others) is to defend the nation from its enemies. Its proper role is not much more than this. A Federal Tax Rate of less than 5% would accomplish this. We have now concentrated power in WA DC so that bureaucracies now create and enforce regulations and execute penalties independent of the branches of government. The president, without any constitutional authority, changes the law at will and chooses to investigate, prosecute, and enforce or not enforce laws at is discretion. Awake. You may not be able to do much but at least you can be AWARE and pray. You can lovingly share the first principles with your family and friends. Do it now every opportunity you have.
Great article, though the leadership have gone very quite on the subject in recent times
I have a theory on this. If you read 3 Nephi 6-8, I think that is about where we are in the timeline. During these days the prophet, Nephi, didn’t do much condemning of the corruption around him, he just quietly built up the church and many were baptized.
I think we are approaching the end and while we still have the ability to move around freely and communicate, the focus is on saving as many souls and preaching the gospel as widely as possible.
I think we have passed the threshold :(
That’s a good point, are you saying that the corruption around us is beyond good people’s ability to overcome? We look like we are in for a rocky ride!
I’m not comfortable with saying that anything is impossible to overcome, but I do think that the most likely result is a collapse. In Nephi’s vision he sees corrupt powers war against themselves and fall into their own pit. I think that will be the future of the same powers today. The work will go forward, many of God’s people might be separated from the rest before this happens, it can go several different ways. Best thing is to stay close to the Spirit and keep fighting.
Well, and if we remember the Articles of Faith, we ultimately believe in letting people believe whatever they feel good about believing, so we can do the same. I agree with everything you’ve written, though, I would add that includes the medical industry. Both the Book of Mormon and the Bible state that God has provided all that is necessary to sustain life, yet, these days we turn to what man and scientists can do made to make us well; and, as we are unfortunately seeing, we are not doing better for it. People are no longer living to be 800 and 1,000 years old, it’s a miracle if we see 100 anymore. Don’t mistake what I’m saying, I’m not saying that all medicine is bad, of course if you break a leg or an arm or your appendix bursts, get help! But, the prescription medicine industry is a billion dollar industry, and I see people being healed with thing that are found in nature, not in a pill. Matter of fact, you get a prescription for a disease, you can bet you’ll be taking it for a good long time, and they’ll tell you nothing else can be done.
Allowing people to believe is all well and fine, but when those beliefs turn into action and those actions oppress the agency of others then there’s a problem.
Totally agree, sorry if I seemed like I was saying otherwise. I am saying, be prepared. Do what our leaders have asked us to be doing for decades. The Stripling Warriors were also way outnumbered by those who wanted to take their lives for not complying, and they came out conqueror against the hundreds of thousands. I’m not saying we won’t have to do the same, I’m just illustrating that it is indeed so, so important for us to remain faithful to our covenants. Be temple worthy, and make it priority to attend. That doesn’t mean we might not have to do things that we otherwise have been commanded not to do, but The Lord will direct us if we’ll let him. Matter of fact, we’ve been getting ready to move our family across the country because The Lord showed us through prayer, and by the received prompting of someone else that He wants us to, and we’ve only got about 20 days start to finish to do it.
Correct. God acts and all the adversary can do is react to the vast plan he has in place. People are constantly being moved and relocated to places where they can prepare or be prepared. You’re right, our greatest strength is God’s strength and with that, man’s agency can always be preserved.
So true. Because honestly, if it weren’t so obviously where God wanted us to be going, this would be one of the last places I would want to be moving to, lol.
I hear you! I’m in Vegas…
We’re moving back to the Salt Lake area. Don’t get me wrong, overall that area is great and very family friendly. But, some of the biggest challenges lie in living where the Gospel is so abundant. Too many philosophies of the Gospel and, ‘the right way to live’ running amuck. *sigh*, I just have to remember, this is the natural way people are either granting or preventing themselves from having God’s protection, and everything we need to know for ourselves to be saved is in the scriptures and personal revelation.
I just have a habit of being a bit irreverent in letting my opinion of other people’s opinions be known….:-/
All it takes is redefining the separation between doctrine and culture. Bednar’s book “Increase in Learning” does a fantastic job at helping overcome these difficulties.
Stick to doctrine and be patient with the unedifying aspects of the culture.
The thought came to me , that maybe the absence of our modern leadership in warning the church , ( but as we see , we have been warned , plenty ) maybe for a reason. The Lord doesn’t need to warn us for what is happening today, possibly , leaving it up to us individually as to embolden the faithful who don’t need to be told what is what concerning our present dark times.. We have it in scripture , we have it through the mouths of the prophets … this may be a test of ‘ who has ears shall hear , eyes to see shall see ‘ , type of thing. What can church leadership possibly tell us , that we don’t already know or have available to us concerning the last days?Maybe If church leader were to make public declarations ,it may be seen , misunderstood or taken as treasonous etc,. by the wicked world leaders whose hearts are stirred up to do wicked bringing condemnation and false accusations against our faith , the truth? However in the hearts of the faithful , the Spirit witnesses to us the dire times we are in. We have been told to prepare , what more must be said? We teach and witness the truth of what the Lord’s servants have given us.. we are given personal revelation , dreams , wisdom , and understandings .. the gift of the Holy Ghost who witnesses all things true. WE have eyes to see , and ears to hear , spiritually. So , I would counter that not to be discouraged by what our leaders might not be telling us , but why . It is time to get your testimony in place , to heed the voice of the Lord and do the best you can … Here are some quotes that have given me comfort. ..” The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.” Ecclesiastes 1:9 kjv..This gives me hope that we are not going through times the Lord has not seen before. Nor the Earth. This is nothing new. All the technologies , ‘knowledge’ etc,. has been before. . There are millions of Earth’s , we are not in some completely unknown territory here… in the last days with wickedness at is apex .. Our poor Earth , who bears the wickedness that is spread upon her , polluting and abusing her ,killing her… can you feel the spirit of the Earth , that she is sad? And that at the right tipping point , this Earth will revolt , and no thing can stop it. The very elements will be in turmoil because of the wickedness of men. The very things the wicked rely on will turn on them , against them and NO thing can stop it , save her Creator. When communications are lost . When we are scattered among the face of the Earth .. how will we know things? Ah , the very Spirit we have available to us now , will be the only way;. Not through Church leaders and publications, computers , t.v . radio etc,. but through personal revelation given and directed to each of the faithful through the Spirit. We as a people must grow up , and learn to rely on the very thing that keeps us , that we cannot do without lest we perish in ignorance and sin.The Holy Ghost . The communicator .The translator . The Spirit of truth when only truth matters and we best be able to discern it. And it is no respecter of persons , and does not speak contrary of things. What is said to you , can be said to me . It will be the same. Truth is something that was , that is , and that always will be , never changing , but exists in a sphere of it’s own. Who is the bearer of this powerful gift , this eternal ? The Holy Ghost.
Thank you for this topic and discussion. I have been struggling with church leaders not “doing more” to induce awareness among its members against the global conspiracy that we are facing today. It can be challenging to be the only one in your ward – or stake for that matter who is “awake” to the current situation. Do any of you know of any facebook groups, blogs, or recent online conversation sites of members who have similar understanding? Any recommendations are appreciated!
I’ve studied these topics quite a bit over the past few years and was even on the executive board of a small political party to try and help make some things happen. I’ve talked with family and friends, had long conversations and did as much as I could to help people “wake up” and in all of this, I’ve come to a few conclusions. The first is that it doesn’t seem to do any good to “wake people up” because they tend to become fearful and obsessed with the subject, to the point of neglecting their duties, the ones that really matter. Even if you accept that there is a global conspiracy of evil, what are the details, who are the bad guys, and what are the people supposed to do about it? The average person is powerless other than their vote and even that is highly questionable.
The only thing of value that I have found is simply helping people awaken more to the awful situation of their separation from God. Helping them connect with him and have that relationship. A person who obtains the mind of God will have greater power to see the world as it really is than just bombarding them with theories and information.
I don’t get frustrated with the leaders, I don’t know what they are dealing with and the perspectives they have. They’ve been called to their positions and they’ll have to answer for what they do in their callings just as I am in my callings. I have faith that God knows what he is doing and he is gracious to the faithful even when they don’t know the big picture. That should be of comfort because no matter how much we think we know, I guarantee that we do not.